Interview With Ex-Googler Pedro Dias #65 – SEOSLY

SEO Podcast #65: Ex-Googler Reveals The Truth About Search Quality & Predicts The Future Of SEO #65

Episode #65 of the SEO Podcast by #SEOSLY features Pedro Dias, an ex-Googler turned independent SEO consultant. Pedro shared so many insightful perspectives on SEO and search quality.

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Interview notes

I had the honor of interviewing Pedro Dias, an ex-Googler turned independent SEO consultant, on my podcast. Pedro shared so many insightful perspectives on SEO and search quality.

Background on Pedro Dias:

• Started out studying web design and working in advertising agencies before joining Google in 2006
• Was hired by Google’s Ireland office to work on the Portuguese language market
• Went through a 5-6 stage interview process focused on practical web development knowledge and mindset fit
• Began as a contractor doing search quality evaluation and then converted to full-time employee in 2007
• Helped build internal tools for detecting spam and policy violations within search results
• Led search quality efforts for Portuguese language market, identifying issues and trends
• Left Google in 2011 and co-founded an SEO agency in Brazil with other ex-Googlers
• Agency grew to 70-80 employees working with major brands and ad agencies
• Shifted focus to independent consulting, working within client product teams rather than marketing
• Recently moved to London in 2020 and started new solo consulting business
• Current clients include eBay, MercadoLibre, publishers in the UK

Key Quote:

“Your brain is more important than the tool.”

Pedro Dias

Perspectives on Search Quality:

• Quality is subjective and dynamic, based on user expectations rather than dictated by Google
• As expectations evolve, what was once high quality content may degrade over time
• Google assesses quality via user behavior changes to algorithm tweaks
• English language results often higher quality given more usage volume and scrutiny
• Search quality team started by testing changes with English results first
• Then collaborated with analysts fluent in other languages to understand local market issues
• Had to balance removing low quality results with potential tradeoffs of few alternatives
• Tough to dictate hard rules when violations didn’t fit neatly into existing guidelines
• Group of analysts would meet to decide right course of action in these gray areas

Thoughts on Web Accessibility:

• Many SEO best practices originally came from web accessibility guidelines
• Alt text on images, semantic HTML headings, keyboard navigation all tie to accessibility
• Critical to experience site through screen readers and keyboard, not just visually
• Tools like Lighthouse help audit accessibility, but insufficient on their own
• Need to study broader accessibility principles and design inclusively
• Apply SEO on top of solid accessible foundation

Perspectives on UX and SEO:

• User experience includes information architecture, accessibility, usability
• Plan logical IA early on – helps avoid constant site migrations later
• Organize IA based on business vertical, audience, product complexity
• Don’t overcomplicate IA on large sites or keep too simple on niche sites
• Use sitemaps, subfolders vs subfolders based on UX purpose
• Apply SEO expertise on top of UX best practices, not the other way around
• Know real user needs before chasing SEO tactics
• Breadcrumbs useful for IA but ensure they fit appropriate context

Thoughts on the Future of SEO:

• AI will augment technical SEO work but not replace strategy
• Leverage AI for assistance with data queries, analysis, etc.
• But human insight still required to determine goals and approach
• Don’t let tools drive strategy – they don’t understand nuances
• SEO expertise will still be vital even as AI capabilities improve

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